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obama weighed down by a jobless rate higher than any incumbent seeking re-election since fdr win 323 electoral votes, sweep 8 of 9 battleground seats? as the republican party picks up the pieces and looks ahead to 2016, here are lessons hopefuls from both parties might want to keep mind. if you don't define yourself, your opponent will do it for you. romney let the president's early attacks on his personal wealth and business background go largely unanswered. romney's campaign argued after a long and expensive primary, they had to choose how to spend at the time, limited funds, and they had to claim it was better than defenses of his personal record. in the end, obama beat romney by ten points. on the economic values question that was this, which candidate is more in touch with people like you. 53% said romney's polauolicies d favor the rich. just 10% said that about the president's policies. and romney, the first republican nominee in the history of our poll to go into a convention with his personal rating under water and campaign with a painful number, just 47% of voters viewing hi
because he's not worried about the general election. he's worried about a primary election like a rand paul. >> and the other -- >> by the way, he is from rand paul's state. it's possible. >> he is. the other thing to keep in mind is boehner's speakership vote is up on january 3rd. >> but you -- everybody keeps saying that, but to vote against the speaker who is the caucus nominee, let's face it, he is the nominee of the republican party. to not vote for the speaker is a major act of betrayal on the part of any member of the congress. you have to that day -- >> the idea if he goes and forces through a tax increase, they could express their dissatisfaction, their unhappiness, by not voting for him for speaker. it takes a majority of the full house for him to get elected. a couple dozen of those guys -- >> i know this stuff. >> for the sake of the viewers. >> but for the sake of me, there used to be a sense of doing the right thing, and by the time you're the party nominee for speaker, you vote for the party nominee for speaker. you don't just screw around with this thing because that wo
. in the last week of the election, the obama campaign paid $550 for a single ad in raleigh, north carolina. the romney campaign had to sell out $2,665. the obama campaign bought it way ahead of time. lesson two, the republican brand needs a hard look. the gop favorable rating underwater for two years. it's been nearly five years and the final poll, full poll before the election, just 36% of registered voters said they had a positive view of the republican party. 43% held a negative view. the democratic party's favorable rating in positive territory. though just barely at 42%-40%. more than 20 republican primary debates put immigration on full display. so now as the party debates to modernize, it has to repair the image. and that leads us to lesson three. demographics are destiny. romney won a higher percentage of the white vote than any candidate since ronald reagan in 1994 beating obama among white voters. by 14 points among white women. five points among independents. he won all the groups by more than george w. bush did in 2004. but he lost the election by a wider margin than john kerry
is going to require elected officials to do their jobs. the housing market is recovering, but that could be impacted if folks are seeing smaller paychecks. the unemployment rate is the lowest it's been since 2008. but already, you're seeing businesses and consumers starting to hold back, because of the dysfunction that they see in washington. >> the president's stern statement echoed the concerns of the american people, who are tired of washington gridlock. >> outside of washington, nobody understands how it is, that this seems to be a repeat pattern, over and over again. ordinary folks, they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and then things happen. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. so, i'm modestly optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. nobody's going to get 100% of what they want. but let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and, in fact, the world economy, aren't adversely im
closer election. but people took it personal and i think it really became a tipping point. >> and to take something from people that was earned and gained with such sack ra fiesz. . >> now it's time for a light ning round. quick answers, please. you hear me, richard? the spot light award. this revvie gos to the movement that defined the 2012 campaign. >> it has to be the 47% video. >> health care law up head. >> hitrichard? >> sandy. >> i'd have to go 47%. that was the moment. >> no question, 47%. so that's the one that got so far, the most consensus. we have a lot more to k078. stick around, we'll be right back. >> first, earlier today, the revvie was awarded for best musical performance. the nominees were. ♪ ♪ for purple mountains majesty ♪ above the fruited plain . ♪ i'm so in love with you >> and the revvie went to governor chris christie. congratulations, governor. the revvies will be right back. ? how do you measure happiness?] by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy
, in turn, helped mobilize women and kick off that women's movement for the 2012 election. and, yet, he stepped back. when the church came up and said i'm going to put the onus on the health care company, he came out having his cake and eating it, too. >> so the contraception move by the president, way back in march? >> you know, and then you have the susan g kohman. >> so you saw the women's movement and the war of women by the republicans. jonathan? >> speaking of planting the seed, my vote for best political move is the obama campaign's decision to hammer mitt romney as an out-of-touch politicalcrat from almost the very beginning. everyone was yelling from the beginning why are you doing this? when the 47% video was released, it made a powerful video even more powerful because it confirmed everything that the obama campaign had been saying about the republican nominee from moment one. >> crystal? >> three words. please proceed, governor. the second debate after the president had a lackluster performance. in the second debate, he really came out swinging and mitt romney thought he had
their elections back in november. you of course did not. so it is possible that between november and now, like a normal human being, you were not paying all that much attention 20 what washington has been up to. it's the end of the year. things have slowed down. we're waiting for a new congress to come in. usually you would have time to get your bearings to figure out where the bathrooms are. that is not going to be the case this year. not with the fiscal cliff. luckily for you, we here at "the rachel maddow show," we have been paying attention. we have had absolutely no other choice, unfortunately. and we are here to help you and everyone else trying to figure out how we got to this point we are in. right after that election, the day after the election, in fact, your new colleagues got to work immediately on the cliff. the day after the collection, republican house speaker john boehner put out this stirring call to action. >> mr. president, this is your moment. we're ready to be led. not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want you to lead. not as a liberal or conservative but as
telling than just what one election result might suggest. >> well, i think it certainly does and it gives him a certain platform and credibility that perhaps he didn't have before. but watching as these fiscal cliff negotiations have gone through the holidays, it certainly is perhaps a little bit more of a bully pulpit for the president and for his position on taxes. but i think the biggest story of the year came at the end of the year in the past week or so which is the massacre at sandy hook elementary school in newtown and i think the presidency now might be shaped by those events and those are the stories that both barnicle and andrea have chose n as the top story. would you agree this could be a signature for the second term? >> i to do. i do agree with that. i think the events of a few days ago in newtown, connecticut, will help shape a good portion of the president's second and final term in office. i think it gives us a huge impe it tus to changes in this country that had had taken too long to take hold. i think the presidency itself, i think the man himself was shaped and altered
this is part of the story of the 2012 election and maybe the never several elections. sam wang had an accurate forecasting model. he sent us a cartoon rather than a chart. he weighed in on the attacks being launched as people like us who are using data to talk about the election. it says quote, breaking, to surprise a sun dit the best system for determining which of two things is wiser. we posted these charts and a bunch of others. i'll tweet a link to them. that does it for tonight. and now it is time for the last word. have a good night. >> the house of representatives. has known for over a year that it has a monday night deadline for avoiding the fiscal cliff. so when are they going to start working on that? sunday night. >> stalemate gridlock joorks this is what the holidays look like. >> there is so much manure around here. >> this isn't school house rock. >> the fiscal cliff. whatever. >> there is barely 00 hours. >> the last minute was before christmas. >> what is going on here? is. >> how come there is no sense of urgency. >> the entire house coming back sunday night. >> ho
in the general election with the latinos, who he got blown out and provided a huge margin in the swing states. >> that is a good point, my point is, of course, the anonymous video operator, who captured the 47%, which is why we happen to have the tape. why it happened to be ready. now, the best move of 2012. what was the best move of 2012? >> this is really hard, because some part of me as a political junky thinks the best move is the crazy thing. and for that, i would give it to mitt romney actually moving across the stage and grabbing rick perry, this kind of physical debate style he also had that revealed him to be crazy and not driven by the same things that most humans are driven by. but sort of the competitive work force bought. but i think at tend of the day e keep going back to the 47% -- >> it is everything. >> the release of that. and the timing of that changed the contours of the race, forever. >> and we don't really know who is responsible for that timing. krytal, the best move. >> the best move, goes to the point about immigration, the president, when he gave a press conference s
better way to have spent our first year together here than surviving the ups and downs of election 2012. as i look back, i hope we have been able to give you the kind of thoughtful, sober minded take on presidential elections that our sacred democratic process deserves. after all, choosing our nation's leader is serious business. let me tell you, keeping a straight face throughout the year of absolute absurdity in this political condition has not been easy. come on, rick santorum was a serious contender for the nomination. that happened. and newt gingrich won the south carolina primary. for us political geeks here, the fact that newt gingrich was the jesse jackson of 2012 is complete hilarity. you have to laugh to keep from crying at the biggest punch line of all. after two years of campaigning, a record $2 billion in election spending, the angst, anxiety, where did he end up? where we started. president barack obama in the white house and a house of representatives. we can't hold it in any longer. our very last show of the year is something of an experiment. our first ever annual look
think 56% compared to mr. boehner's 26% and what the public voted for in the last election. a lot of things the people don't realize is president is catching hell from the left, in other words, from people who believe in the congress that the cpi, cost of living, should not be reduced so that people on veterans benefits, disabilities benefits, social security benefits, the money is not reduced considering most of the people have nothing and only getting $15,000 to $16,000 a month in social security benefits. so with the president engaging in these discussions, she cannot say that he is not coming forth and doing all that he can. i think he is doing all he can and catching hell at the same time. so, again, there is some give, give. i don't agree with the slashing of any kind of benefits for social security, people on social security and medicare benefits but i also see that the president is trying to work a deal. >> congressman, speaker boehner also said to the president, you know, why not just give me the 2011 deal? 800 is that number there, 800 million. why not go back to that? e
on to the general election. mitt romney summed up the g oor gop primary season. we had 20 republican debates. that was absolutely nuts. and nen in the august, 2011 debate, when the candidates assembled on stage showed their intransigence on the issue of raising taxes. watch him go to work here. let's listen. >> i'm going to ask a question to everyone here on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal. 10 to 1, as byru byron said. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who, on this stage, would walk away from that deal? you feel so strongly about not raisining tax, you'd walk away the 10 to 1 deal. >> another highlights and low lights of the gop primary michael steel. that was a scene where you come up from the roots of the republican party. was that a good dare or a bad day for the republicans. >> i think it was a bad day. i think he recognized after the fact that that was a definitive moment where he could have carved out a new space on that stage and probably one a campaign free of that package. >> it wouldn't have looked very good after that e lexz. >> right: i'm jus
the people who aren't willing to make a compromise. >> this is something we know that our elected leader haves to get done and don't have hope for getting something done is on gun control in this country, although the conversation still wages on. fresh in the news is the fact that four firefighters were basically used as target practice for this person in webster, new york. two were shot and killed on christmas eve in upstate new york. there's the suspect right there. william spangler spent time in prison for murdering his grandmother. he shouldn't be access to weapons at all. police say that he left a note behind saying he was doing what he liked to do best, killing. they think in the burned remains to find his sister. they have found human remains but they haven't said whether or not it is his spangler's sister or lot. lynn, the fact that we're talking about this, do we do it now through the prism of newtown? he had also a weapon, the ar-15 rifle, one of the weapons that spangler used. do we look at it through the prism of newtown? >> newtown, virginia tech, columbine, northern illinoi
to commu communicate with their elected representatives and let those elected representatives know that the people want to see a deal that is fair to the working and middle class people. that's what the president is saying. i think the president is correct to do so. and i think that the -- you know, that senator reid has been really clear. we should be there working hard to get a fair bargain. and i'm glad the president is basically turning up the temperature. >> see, that's what i read, melissa. i think that one was to update the public. but another is to say if they play passed the deadline, you get in touch with your senator because i'm going to have them call the roll. >> well, so, part of it is about that public pressure. but the other part of it, when the president calls on speaker boehner to do that, what he's saying is speaker boehner, put the good of the country before your job. the majority is all of the democrats and a few republicans, enough to get it through. but boehner, as a speaker, does not want to bring anything to the house floor for a vote that does not have a m
that just got walloped in the election. can you expound on your theory there? >> first, let me just talk about democrats. you're too young to remember this, ari, but there was a period of time when people were wondering -- >> i dyed my hair, john. >> people were wondering when democrats could ever win a presidential election again, that's because they were on the wrong side of main street america, on some cultural change happening in the country. they were on the wrong side of issues like the death penalty, on issues like the use of force in foreign affairs, and it wasn't until they'd gotten whacked, george mcgovern lost overwhelmingly, mike ducacas was beaten pretty soundly. after all those things happened, the democratic party through bill clinton and others like him trying to change it, made the party more acceptable to the american people. republicans have not gotten there yet. it was a party as we saw in the election, a declining -- white share of the vote is the declining share of the electorate. their share is going up, but not enough to compensate. >> right. >> right now the sort
opposed to any tax increase and senator mccobb nell is up for re-election in 2014 where tea party rebellion toppled his own protÉge and instead, send rand paul to the senate. i'll bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent, kelly o'donnell. >>> waiting for action here today. >> reporter: it seems pretty quiet at the moment, steve. it's one of those things where you feel like something big is going to happen but as you walk through the corridors here, it seems pretty quiet at the moment. >> well, we have all sorts of conflicting reports out there about what the broad framework would be if there's going to be a deal. i guess the big stumble bling block is number one, what is the fresh hold be for the tax income? $250,000 which obama originally proposed? $400,000 which he supposedly offered in a revised offer a week ago? and then, of course, the status of the sequester. we have $1.2 trillion in cuts over ten years, half from defense and half from nondefense discretionary spending. is there any indication if there's a deal today what they're talking about in terms of those two issu
at some of the most memorable presidential moments of this election year. >>> president obama and senate members will be here in washington tomorrow, but we'll be hearing crickets on the house floor. nbc news has learned the republican leadership has not given representatives the 48-hour notice to return to work, another sign of inaction on the fiscal cliff front. joining me now for our daily fix, mr. jonathan capehart, msnbc contributor and "washington post" editorial writer. jonathan, we're just six days away, no indication from house republicans that they are going to come back any time soon. the leadership has gone mum on that. we know there's not been communication between boehner and mcconnell, obama and boehner. are you amazed with this short amount of time to go there seems to be no sense of urgency on either side? >> am i amazed, given what we went through with the debt ceiling, no, i'm not amazed. i think there are forces here in this town that would like for us, sure people would like for there to be a deal, but going over the cliff on january 1st when there's this notion wher
through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind-boggling to them. >> you know, the president seemed to be much more comfortable in the white house briefing room today using the bully pulpit saying enough is enough. >> he did. i thought he sounded like a man he know s who holds if not all the cards a lot of them. the public tends to blame republicans when this happens, especially now at a time when overall on the house side you have so many republicans who are so far right and worried about somebody farther right running against them in primaries that john boehner is having a hard time getting them to agree to his packages like plan b last week. we don't know out here on the public how much has changed since last week, but president obama was saying something he was planning to say. >> joy, is this the same thing? >> one thing you notice the president didn't doll is off any new plan. he's laying this debacle squarely at the feet of the congress. the president helped himself by previously making some offer that even his base was u
and picked colleen or another member of congress, that would trigger a special election and you would have to replace another person. this is an easy fix to get somebody to start voting right away without triggering any special election for the house. >> they want that vote on the fiscal cliff. still the employee of the month and thank you so much. next, breaking with boehner. a month ago, oklahoma congressman tom cole endorsed compromising and going-over the fiscal cliff. what's he saying now? the minority report, we will get the view from the other side of the aisle with john yarmouth. a look ahead at the president's schedule. you are watching t"the daily rundown" on msnbc. i love the holidays. and with my bankamericard cash rewards credit card, i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% back on... [ toy robot sounds ] 2% on pumpkin pie. and apple. 3% back on 4 trips to the airport. it's as easy as... -[ man ] 1... -[ woman ] 2... [ woman ] 3. [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash re
have a base. and the purists are in control of the primary elections and you wind up with a house that doesn't agree with compromise. any time boehner gets too close to some kind of compromise that they don't like, they are standing there with knives ready to kind of oust him and put somebody else in there. >> she's absolutely right. that idea of ideological purism. you're starting to see this. you're starting to reference the give up debate. they don't want any change, even with 20 babies dead in newtown. they want no new laws. we really have almost no laws restricting guns at all. but they want no new laws, no new change. so they move from the party wealthy, now to the party of glocks. they say don't want people to have the right to bear arms, but they want to have people have the right to bear killing machines that can kill people with 20, 30, 40 round clips. this is not big ten politics. almost all of these policies are insulting some large group of people. >> which is why they lost the election. >> they have a very small coalition. >> they don't even have the reign. but when
elected. only 15 of them from congressional districts obama won. in 2014, 14 senators will be -- will go up for re-election. 13 of them will stay and -- 12 of them in states obama did not win and like we have 2 different parallel sort of universes trying to talk to each other and republicans don't really need and are not incented to work with obama because they're coming from constituency that is don't like him, won't vote for him. why not fight against him because that's good for them? >> well, i tell you what. guys like john boehner see that and they see a trend where their base shrinks and gets smaller and smaller and smaller. eventually they will be the minority party. they don't want that to happen. they can look at the polls and where it says most of the country favors raising taxes on the rich and the positions that obama was pushing during the campaign, otherwise he wouldn't have won. they know it's a problem and don't want to be relegated to the party of white guys in the south. >> that's a national issue. >> correct. >> that's not a local issue, primary issue as you go home as
confidently as it indicated they won the election campaigning on this very issue and that's all that they had at stake was trying to bring to the american people what they claim was the real agenda in the course of the campaign, extend the bush era tax cuts for making more than $250,000 and whatever the republicans want to say about them, they're fine to say and right now the republicans continue with a lot of sniping directed at this white house. earlier today, senators corker and alexander making statements basically blaming them for the stalemate, taking place right now. but i think it's pretty clear that the white house feels confidently that even if they don't have control of the house, they have enough republicans in the house that if a vote were allowed there, that with the democrats all supporting the president and enough republicans they could move this thing. >> krystal? >> reporter: can i take a whack at that question, please? it's mike viqueira. the question is, did the president know and as charles krauthammer outlined, you know, that he was going to crush the republican oppositi
play here. i don't see him behaving as a rational leader on this. >> there's no election for 22 months and as everyone knows, polls now about predictable capacity in november of 2014 are useless and the republicans know they can be incredibly unpopular and in defacto terms, changes nothing in washington other than unpopular. unpopular in october of 2014, they have a problem. if they're unpopular in january of 2013, you have gridlock in washington. >> who makes the next move? >> senator mcconnell's probably in the best position. he's in very close touch with the president, the white house and democrats in both the senate and the house have been in very close coordination throughout this. they have been in lockstep. it was interesting to note that when we saw the plan "b" chaos just before christmas the house democrats stood firm. they stood united. historically, that's not the play of the democratic party but that does seem to be where the democrats are right now. the president is back today so there can be an opportunity for some discussions to resume. but boehner has made it clear tha
leaders met with the president since november 16 in a post-election session. and new this morning, cnbc's john heart swood reporting a mini deal could be in the works. without it like a 60 to 90-day deal and include some tax raises basically for those making about $400 $400,000 or more. this morning a few senators in both parties struck a hopeful tone about the meetings. >> getting a little more optimistic today. >> i think that it is encouraging that people are talking. >> talk is good but on substance, little has changed. >> problem has not been democrats being willing to do cuts. the problem is receive gnaws. we believe this isn't a revenue issue. this is a spending issue. >> house republicans also called their members back to washington for work this sunday. that was after democrats blasted speaker boehner for their absence just yesterday. >> mr. speaker, we ought to be here. working. addressing these challenges. >> we are here in washington working. while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching their kids play soccer and basketball and doing
to be re-elected. >> that's right. they're going to need a lot of power going forward to get lngs through. >> we heard this on friday, we heard it on sunday from lapierre. he was using the terms "good guys" fairly frequently. does that positive association he's making with police officers, of those who are trained using gun, using the terms "good guys" is that what we expect to hear for all those who are opponents of gun legislation going forward? >> i think so. i think that will be part of the conversation. but, you know, this will be a really difficult battle on capitol hill, especially in the house but also in the senate. we see a lot of democrats up nor reelection in two years from more rural states so it might be difficult for them as well to fully embrace some of the issues being talked about or some of the policies going forward. so much we might see this in little bits of legislation. >> i was reading a number over 50% of those of the 113th who were put into office receive money from the nra. that would make things very difficult i would imagine as they are of course thinking abou
but the whole sense that washington cannot work. that even after this election we had in november, things haven't changed. and things just don't get done even at the last minute when everyone says it is very important to act. >> remember when this all came together the whole idea of the sequester and they said the consequences are so dire, so devastating there is no way we won't get a deal done. >> well, yeah. that is about to happen. exactly. i think if we don't hear something by 2:00 this afternoon it is nail biting time and time to put on the parachutes and prepare to jump the cliff. beyond that it would be very difficult for the senate to get something done tonight and send it over to the house to get it started. you know, congressman soon to be senator flake lays out the complicated path forward here for members of both parties very well. he is concerned about the sequester. ah, but we can fix that later. he doesn't want to extend the farm bill that would stave off those milk prices but, you know, the farm state, lawmakers have been saying you can't extend these things temporarily. if you'
on a long-term trajectory of growth. we have been talking to the republicans ever since the election was over. they have had trouble saying yes to a number of repeated offers. yesterday i had another meeting with the leadership, and i suggested to them if they can't do a comprehensive package of smart deficit reduction, let's, at minimum, make sure that people's taxes don't go up and that 2 million people don't lose their unemployment insurance. and i was modestly optimistic yesterday, but we don't yet see an agreement. and now the pressure's on congress to produce. if they don't, what i've said is that in the senate, we should go ahead and introduce legislation that would make sure middle-class taxes stay where they are, and there should be an up-or-down vote. everybody should have a right to vote on that. if republicans don't like it, they can vote no. but i actually think that there's a majority of support for making sure that middle-class families are held harmless. >> if you go over the cliff, what's the impact on the markets which have been pretty confident up until now that a
-term trajectory of growth. you know, we have been talking to the republicans ever since the election was over. they have had trouble saying yes to a number of repeated offers. yesterday i had another meeting with the leadership, and i suggested to them if they can't do a comprehensive package of smart deficit reduction, let's at minimum make sure that people's taxes don't go up and that 2 million people don't lose their unemployment insurance. and i was modestly optimistic yesterday. but we don't yet see an agreement, and now the pressure is on congress to produce. if they don't, what i've said is that in the senate, we should go ahead and introduce legislation that would make sure middle class taxes stay where they are, and there should be an up or down vote. everybody should have a right to vote on that. you know, if republicans don't like it, they can vote no. but i actually think that there's a majority of support for making sure that middle class families are held harmless. >> if you go over the cliff, what's the impact on the markets? they have been pretty confident up until now that a
't understand how these people cannot do their jobs that they're elected to. so i'm wondering what's your take on what's going on in washington? you're sitting in washington. >> right. the at least we have bipartisan agreement it's all nuts, right? everyone agrees this is ridiculous and in spite of what they say, they've been talking about it for months and years and there was ample talk about what a framework should be through the election, which wasn't that long ago. there's plenty of debate. to tie the two stories we have been talking wiabout together, there was a colin powerful doctrine that general schwartzkopf executed so well in the first gulf war. which was have an exit strategy and using overwhelming force. this congress had an exit strategy. they had the idea of overwhelming force, and they set themselves these limits. if they got through this deadline the pain would be so great on themself -- this is self-imposed -- they would find a way out. they have not executed their own strategy and been able to vote for their own leadership. what you have in washington just to take a step back
. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> the president seemed to be much more comfortable in the white house briefing room today using the bully pulpit saying enough is enough. >> he did. i thought that he sounded like a man who knows he holds, if not all of the cards, but a lot of them. he has the advantage here, and the polls indicate as with bill clinton in the showdown with newt gingrich and the shutdown of the '90s the public blames the republicans when this happens when over on the house side, you have so many republicans who are so far right and worried about somebody farther right running against them in primaries that john boehner is having a hard time to get them to agree to his packages like plan b out here. we don't know how much out here in the public things have changed since last week, but it seemed like president obama was saying something that he was planning to say if it came down to the last few days. >> joy, is this the same kind of negotiation we saw in the first term?
for the next congress. that happens on january 3rd, when they formally elect a speaker. that's one theory, but probably the thing that make the most sense is the fact that then it becomes a vote to cut taxes for 98% of americans, instead of allowing them to rise for 1% or 2%. that is something logically the republicans would probably or more likely go along with, though at this point who knows where we'll end up with on this thing. january 3rd is the new congress. in the days after that, that's the inertia it scenario. >> gentlemen, thanks so that. i appreciate it. >>> we want to bring in today's panel s perry bacon, democratic strategy margie omero, and chip saltzmann. i want to talk about with what steve la tourette had to say today being interviewed on cnn. >> this isn't a one party or a one house problem. this is leaders of both parties and all branches of the government not willing to make the deal they know they have to make. everybody wants to play the blame game. this is about to put us over the edge. >> perry, i want to start with you. if perception is reality and the blame is go
. here's how mitt romney explained why he lost to president obama just days after the election. >> what the president's campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government, and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote, and that strategy worked. >> that explanation got mitt romney attacked and condemned by the likes of bobby jindahl and other republicans. they're now trying a new approach. tag romney said this about his father. he wanted to be president less than anyone i knew in my entire life. he had no desire to run, says tag, who worked with his mother and to persuade his father to seek the presidency. if he could have found someone else to take his place, he would have been ecstatic to step aside. too bad he never told newt gingrich that. joining me now, msnbc's joy reed. i'm on the verge of feeling sorry for them, trying to come up with these crazy reasons about why he lost. and now they want to pretend that this guy who lived his whole life in order to run for president didn't really want to run f
the election itself which was a big victory. but, you know, those victories are going to have to be preserved and we know there's going to be more on a lot of those issues coming in 2013. the states have to implement obama care. we have seen republican governors dragging their feet on that. isn't there a danger some of these gains can be lost. in addition to some of the things the president has on the table, we also have some other things that still need some work? >> right. and health care and on gay rights in particular, marriage equality, those are things that are almost out of the president's hands, especially when it comes to what the supreme court is going to do. republican governors are dragging their feet on implementing obama care. i'm not sure what the president can do to cajole them into complying since the supreme court ruled that he couldn't coerce them by threatening their medicare funding, medicaid funding. again, when it comes to gay rights and what the court is going to do, you know, i think the administration along with everything else has to wait and see what the court rule
congress in history? >> the public is implicated in this. 2008 the public elected president obama, democratic house, democratic senate. 2010, a large number of people in the public changed their minds they got angry at us over health care, which was misunderstood, angry at us because we inherited a section that we weren't able to defeat because of their obstruction. in 010 -- in most democracies that would be it. we have a constitution under which it's called the staggered powers, checks and balances, the last three elections are there. the problem is in 2008 you had one group of people elected, in 2010, another. there wasn't simply the people in 2010 were conservative. very substantial number of the people elected as republicans in 2010 do not believe in governance. they do not understand there are things we need for the quality of life we have to come together. this isn't bob dole. this isn't howard baker. this isn't ronald reagan. these are people that are quite extreme. what's happened is that many republican whose believe in compromise and trying work things out some defeated
is after the election, we're facing this budget cliff, we'll have a very interesting post-election lame-duck session of congress. they will avoid the fiscal cliff, and they'll do it in a way that will produce a budget agreement either in this lame-duck session or in the first couple of months of next year. that's what i think will happen. >> there's the part of the conversation every year that drives mika crazy when i talk about how we all, in the 1990s, worked together despite some pretty tough differences. >> we didn't in 1995. we had a pretty rough '95. >> '95 was an ugly year. there were a couple of other ugly years. >> but the other ugly years we already had a modus operandi of working together. if you look at what was accomplished in '98, '99 and 2000, they were good years. the only desert year was 1999. >> i faulk specifically about 1999 because people will poke at me when i talk about how you and the republican congress worked together. i say no, you should look at 1999 because even in the worst of times, the president's people were talking to leaders of congress. >> every day.
's very clear now, mr. president, that the speaker's number one goal is to get elected speaker on january 3rd. the house is not even here. he's told me he'll give them two days to get back here, 48 hours, not two days, 48 hours. they don't even have enough of the leadership here to meet to talk about it. they've done it with conference calls. people are spread all over this country because the speaker basically is waiting for january 3rd. now, the president campaigned on raising taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year. the bush era tax cuts will expire at the end of this year. obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election, he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off of even his own proposal. mr. presid
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